MyDD :: Hillary Clinton wins the Democratic Nomination!

Hillary Clinton wins the Democratic Nomination!

by illlaw1, Mon Feb 04, 2008 at 12:00:48 AM EST

And John McRomney immediately releases an attack ad...

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You know Hillary Clinton wants to raise your taxes but did you know that she wants force you to buy health insurance from the government or from some of her biggest donors.

Can't afford it you say?

Hillary Clinton will decide that for you.

Don't want to?

Hillary Clinton will use the power of the federal government to garnish your wages or worse.

I'm John McRomney and I understand the importance of good health care but I also understand that we are all already living under a crushing load of debt and can't afford to pay the government or Hillary Clinton's friends anymore of our hard earned money.

I believe in tax breaks for individuals and businesses to help counter the costs of health care. I also believe your doctor not your insurance company should make the final call on your health and I support a patients bill of rights since your health not their profits are what's most important.

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Or something to that effect and HRC's health plan will be DOA.

Mandatory health insurance is political suicide and will drag not just HRC down but the rest of the Dems with her. There are sufficient numbers of people who think they reside in the middle and who do not like her that they will fight tooth and nail against her if they think she's going to take even more of their money.

If she can't explain why mandates are an absolute necessity in language that everyone understand, and her response or lack thereof to "Harry & Louise II" implies that she can't, she will lose the fight if not the election.

Tags: Hillary Clinton, Health Care, Election 2008 (all tags)

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Re: Hillary Clinton wins the Democratic Nomination (2.00 / 3)

Is John McRomney some sort of pseudonym for Barack Obama?

by OrangeFur on Mon Feb 04, 2008 at 12:04:32 AM EST

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He's being nicer than he should be to her politically misguided plan.

Here's the gun there's the foot.

by illlaw1 on Mon Feb 04, 2008 at 12:10:23 AM EST
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In Europe & UK, everyone needs to have a healthcare. It's mandatory. It will make sure that everyone will have access to healthcare when they need it.

by JoeySky18 on Mon Feb 04, 2008 at 12:05:22 AM EST

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The UK is single payer tax funded health care. HRC's proposal clearly isn't the same thing.

by illlaw1 on Mon Feb 04, 2008 at 12:09:16 AM EST
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It's not income tax funded if I'm paying monthly premiums in addition to my income taxes.

by illlaw1 on Mon Feb 04, 2008 at 12:52:20 AM EST
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Um. They already tax my income. Mandatory monthly premiums to a private company or the government in addition to that isn't a) going to be viewed as income tax or b) viewed as acceptable.

by illlaw1 on Mon Feb 04, 2008 at 01:09:52 AM EST
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If you already have insurance that you are happy with you will be able to stay in that system. so, explain to me how anyone will be forced in to the government system. the only people who will be forced to do anything are the people who don't want insurance. boo hoo for them. the overall costs will go down for everyone. that's the other 385M people.

it isn't like everyone will see a new line on their paychecks for the government system. that is a misreading of the plan.

On the train thanks to HRC...

by BRockNYC on Mon Feb 04, 2008 at 01:38:22 AM EST
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Boo hoo for them isn't going to play well in the general election.

by illlaw1 on Mon Feb 04, 2008 at 09:03:56 AM EST
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Corporate faggotry? You really know how to win friends and influence people, don't you?

No Way. No How. No McCain.

by Denny Crane on Mon Feb 04, 2008 at 01:47:05 AM EST
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Re: Hillary Clinton wins the Democratic Nomination (2.00 / 1)

Of this I have no doubt.

No Way. No How. No McCain.

by Denny Crane on Mon Feb 04, 2008 at 02:23:44 AM EST
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I would prefer the Dutch system more than UK system. UK National Health care is in crisis and need serious overhaul.

Dutch system is closer to Hillary's plan. I don't really know in details of Dutch plan. My partner is Dutch and she said it very similar. And I didn't see them having problem with it. Her dad had brain cancer, and was able to be admitted to the hospital immediately and talked to brain specialist within 2 weeks, no question ask. But unfortunately, he didn't pull through.

by JoeySky18 on Thu Feb 07, 2008 at 02:40:36 AM EST
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Let's acknowledge the reality of how tough a mandate will be to run on. It's no coincidence that Clinton has been so cagey about how she will enforce her mandate. She simply won't talk about it! It took George Stephanopolous three questions to get even a half-response out of her on the subject.

She would be smarter to be totally upfront about it. The Republicans won't wait for her to give an answer.

by animated on Mon Feb 04, 2008 at 12:13:30 AM EST

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She certainly needs to be upfront about it and needs to explain, in simple terms, why it's necessary.

All she's doing now is going around saying that her plan covers everyone. When people learn that doesn't mean single-payer UHC but instead means they pay whether they like it or not some, maybe many, will turn on her.

by illlaw1 on Mon Feb 04, 2008 at 12:20:17 AM EST
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I'm not convinced this will be such a hard sell. Unlike the 90s it seems that the vast majority of people (including the various business industries and unions) recognize the importance of reining in the health care problem. Also, most people know how the basics of insurance economics works. It really isn't that hard to grasp. So long as people's out-of-pocket expenses are the same or lower no one will really care.

Do the elderly people have a choice with regard to medicare?

I just don't believe it is a big deal and the fine points can be negotiated.

Now starting out with something less than universal health care is problem. Where is your room for negotiation there?

On the train thanks to HRC...

by BRockNYC on Mon Feb 04, 2008 at 01:11:00 AM EST
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Easy sell? Dunno. (none / 0)

They don't seem to be trying to sell it now. In fact, they seem to be avoiding it and using language like "everyone will be covered" rather than everyone will have to pay a monthly premium.

This is also just a guess but when people hear "Universal Health Care" I'm guessing a substantial portion think of Canada or France not forced insurance payments for all.

by illlaw1 on Mon Feb 04, 2008 at 01:17:08 AM EST
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It isn't true that everyone will have to pay a monthly premium.

Perhaps I'm misunderstanding the plan, but the only possible people who could/would be garnished would be people who are trying to cheat the system.

On the train thanks to HRC...

by BRockNYC on Mon Feb 04, 2008 at 01:26:56 AM EST
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This is a potential election killer. Her platform is UHC. Republicans are going to tear this thing apart. Just like Bush trying to privatize Social Security. A thirty second sound bite of Hillary raising taxes and garnishing wages to cover joe homeless under the bridge. She will be done.

by odogg on Mon Feb 04, 2008 at 12:18:20 AM EST

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I have yet to see anyone sell this part of the plan. It just gets glossed over like it's going to be ignored by the GOP or something.

by illlaw1 on Mon Feb 04, 2008 at 12:35:54 AM EST
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This is silly. Most people who might care about something like this already have health insurance and are, therefore, already paying for health insurance and will not see any additional costs.

Where is the problem? With people who are trying to avoid paying for insurance? Well, they are the joe homeless under the bridge who would be paying for health insurance for themselves, no?

On the train thanks to HRC...

by BRockNYC on Mon Feb 04, 2008 at 01:14:55 AM EST
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The problem is that HRC will be using the force of the government to make people pay money on a monthly basis. Just the appearance is bad. It's not voluntary, they'll garnish your wages, even if it is perfectly logical it's not politically attractive.

by illlaw1 on Mon Feb 04, 2008 at 01:18:45 AM EST
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1. People who already have insurance that they are happy with will be able to keep their current insurance.

2. The only people who wages could be garnished would be people who are trying to game the system.

It isn't like she is trying to set up a government run system that everyone must join. There are 2 tracks. The current track via your employer and a new tack to buy in to the congressional plan. If you go for a job and you don't elect insurance you have to prove you have insurance elsewhere. If you can't then you are a punk and you need your wages garnished or some other way to participate. The economics of it means all cost will go down (including those on the employer track).

Am I missing something?

On the train thanks to HRC...

by BRockNYC on Mon Feb 04, 2008 at 01:24:03 AM EST
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Why do you assume that people who don't pay are trying to game the system?

by illlaw1 on Mon Feb 04, 2008 at 09:03:14 AM EST
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How is Obama going to enforce the mandate for children? It seems he's running the same political risk but for only a fraction of the reward.

by OrangeFur on Mon Feb 04, 2008 at 12:40:19 AM EST

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Easier to sell to the public as it's protecting children but still a risky proposition. He's not going to get the nomination, or is less likely to, so I'm focused on the more likely issue to confront the Democrats.

by illlaw1 on Mon Feb 04, 2008 at 12:44:56 AM EST
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well he's a liar, during the debate he even said "and we'll go after those who try to game the system"

umm - go after how? Isnt that essentially a mandate?

vote blue in 2008

by sepulvedaj3 on Mon Feb 04, 2008 at 10:10:10 AM EST
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